Jeremy Brett: Wyndham’s. Hostess: Wyndham’s Theatre in London. Let’s see them now in action. Hostess: Holmes and Watson: Jeremy Brett and Edward Hardwicke. Jeremy Brett: Hello. Hostess: They have enjoyed enormous success – all the stories have enjoyed enormous success. What do you put that down to? Jeremy Brett: I think probably the miracle that Granada achieved was by doing the original stories. Umm, I think it was dreamt up by Michael Cox way back in 1973, our producer, really to put literature straight in regard to Dr. Watson. Because, not the duffer anymore, but the good friend, the gentleman, the medic and the soldier. Not the duffer. And I think by doing the stories and finding that they actually stood up to the test of film. LIEN VERSION FRANCAISEJeremy Brett: I remember when Al... when Sir Alistair Cooke said to me, many years ago, about 1981, before we started, he said that the three most memorable people in the last hundred years are Churchill, Hitler and Sherlock Holmes. (Edward Hardwicke laughs) Jeremy Brett: Now this was meant to encourage me – I was terrified! “Well, that’s really done it now.” I mean, I didn’t want to play the part in the first place because I thought I would fail! ‘Cause there had been so many people playing it before. But to think that one of those three people never existed at all is extraordinary! We, I mean, the fan-mail we get is to Edward and Jeremy but we get – they get at Baker Street, 221b Baker Street, the National Abbey Bank, letters to Sherlock Holmes asking him to solve cases. And they write back and say, “Mr. Holmes is retired and living in Kent beekeeping.” Hostess: (laughs) Are you enjoying being caught up in this? I mean, as I said, five years on television and now starring in West End?
RETOURHostess: Marvelous! Jeremy Brett: I’m loving having people outside the stage door, I’m loving being with my friend Edward; because we’re best friendsoff as well as on. We’re having a ball. Hostess: Great. We look forward to seeing it in Birmingham. Edward Hardwicke: Thank you. Hostess: Edward Hardwicke, Jeremy Brett, thank you for joining us. Jeremy Brett: Thank you. Edward Hardwicke: Thank you. Hostess: Well, there have been many fictional detectives; Hercule Poirot, Maigret, even Clouseau. But none seem to have captures people’s imagination like Sir Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes and partner Dr. Watson. The latest theatrical partnership in these roles is Jeremy Brett and Edward Hardwicke, who have starred successfully on both television and now at the Winedham’s Theatre in –
Jeremy Brett: I have to confess; I’m basking in it now. I must – I didn’t enjoy it, I was very poorly for a while and I found it was an enormous strain to play. He’s a very dark, private man, and you have to really drain yourself out, because I’m much too ebullient for the part. You have to be very bloodless, and I found that a great strain. But now we’re in the theatre with this wonderful pink success, as I call it, umm, amazing response. And we’re taking it around the world, we’re playing till next September in - at Wyndham’s, and then we’re taking it very slowly around the world. I think we’re bringing it to Birmingham, I’m hoping. And, emm, and then I think Manchester and then the States. So it’s a lovely – yes, good time now. Hostess: But anybody going to see it is not to expect a real whodunit. Jeremy Brett: It’s all the deduction, it’s all the clues, but the case happens as the play ends. What you get is their relationship and you learn, during the course of the play, much more about them. There’s a lot of deduction, a lot of sleuthing, and then in the second half Jeremy Paul, our brilliant writer, has given us a coup d'état which is the secret. And it’s a part of Holmes’ life which has not been revealed. And it’s a very exciting, dramatic moment and I’m very happy that Ted’s on stage with me to get me off every night. Hostess: Edward, your Dr. Watson in this is far more of a rounded, whole creature. Jeremy mentioned before that he’s very often played as a bit of a buffoon, a bit of a bumbler. Edward Hardwicke: Yes, I think that dates from the early films which I love and I think they had a validity then because it was the war and I think there was an attempt to use the stories in some way as propaganda to encourage the Americans to join us in the second World War, in a minor way. But, umm, we – times have changed and I think one has to start from the premise that he’s a doctor and that’s a difficult job for anybody. Also, I think being a doctor, to some extent, is being a detective and I think that’s part of the appeal that he has for Holmes. Umm, but . . . doing the play is very different because Jeremy Paul’s taken a slightly different direction with it and that makes it very, very interesting. Hostess: Do you see yourself becoming another Mousetrap? An establishment in the West End of London. Jeremy Brett: No, I tell you what . . . you know, this business we’re in, this profession we’re in, it’s hard enough to survive, let alone have a success. So when one has a success - although it’s not a very palatable word in this country, they’re much more fond of it in the States – I’m enjoying every giddy moment of it! Daytime Live (1988) : Interview de Jeremy Brett et Edward HardwickeHostess: But it really is an extraordinary relationship between these two men, isn’t it? They’re very close. Jeremy Brett: Yes, they’re club men. I mean, I think one is a very private creature, isolated. They’re both very lonely people at the beginning of the books and they meet because they can’t afford the rent! Hostess: Do you think it’s also this sort of Superman image that Sherlock Holmes has? I mean, he solves everything. Jeremy Brett: I think – I think he intrigues Watson, by the speed of light of his deduction and logic. And I think that it becomes apparent, I think, especially during this play we’re doing now at Wyndham’s Theatre. (smiles at her) Hostess: Wyndham’s. Jeremy Brett: It’s (laughs) you were at school at a place called Winedham’s. Hostess: Winedham’s, yes. Jeremy Brett: Uh, Wyndham’s Theatre. It’s because I think we’re exposing the friendship, we’re releasing the friendship through a little bit more. Also, we’re very lucky, Edward and I, because we played the parts for two and a half years together. And, umm, I’m not bored of it at all yet because I haven’t learned how to play him. Hostess: Yes, I was gonna say, I mean, five years you’ve done it on television and three years, Edward. Is there anything different for you, Edward, about doing it now in the theatre? Edward Hardwicke: Well, it’s – I mean the main difference is it’s just a completely different medium. And you are concentrating for two hours on a play whereas with the filming it’s a day-long job and it goes on and on and on. It’s just a very different feeling. And I think it’s an enormously enjoyable experience just doing something different. Hostess: Did you realize the success until you went into the theatre? Jeremy Brett: No, not – I must be truthful, I didn’t. I have been working in some sort of isolation in the studio work, filming for five years and when we went into the public marketplace, which is what the theatre is, suddenly to find that there were children out front . . . I wasn’t sure what the audience was, I know we sold to seventy-five countries and were translated into every kind of language under the sun. And I’m thrilled . . . I mean I still can’t believe that. But I am beginning to be aware of the fact that, because of the children, that it appeals to a much wider range of people than I thought. Five-year-olds, six-year-olds, seven-year-olds, are sitting there, glued to the play, and they come around afterwards. And I – I’ve always thought Holmes was a sort of, umm, damaged penguin or kind of black beetle. (Edward Hardwicke and the Hostess start laughing) Jeremy Brett: I never thought he was heroic at all! I wouldn’t cross the road to meet him. Hostess: But there’s also this amazing thing, don’t you think, that Agatha Christie wrote about Hercule Poirot, umm, but nobody ever thought that Hercule Poirot was real. But they do believe in Holmes and Watson, don’t they? I mean, do you get letters to you as real people? Edward Hardwicke: Well, not exactly as real people, but I certainly think they – the characters – are very real to a lot of people. And I think it’s partially because Conan Doyle, rather like – it’s a different kettle of fish, in a way – but, Ian Fleming did it with James Bond. His detail, and the precise detail, of actual places and things which are mentioned in the stories, somehow make – give it a terrific sense of reality, a terrific sense of Victorian and Edwardian London.